Steven: lol
please hold while I review your choices
I would bump prototype because it's not actually technically an outkast song, in fact any song without the other shouldn't really count
its like calling Thriller a Jackson 5 album
me: hmm
kinda true, but production of the dual album counted in my mind...big boi had to have some input
Steven: not from what I read, it was kind of a competition thing with separate producers and all that...
I love Liberation, but there are so many other bangers that are acclaimed that could be there
me: true
Steven: hell Fresh and Clean?!
me: but the original thought (for me at least) was Outkast songs that do NOT get old to me. Songs that I could be tortured with and it would have no affect.
I can't listen to so fresh and so clean more than 5 times in any one day...something about it gets to me
Steven: ummm....and as far as I know, the official title for Internationals Players Anthem feat. UGK was Outkast feat. them....so that HAS to make the list
maybe top 2
me: hmmm
very true
Steven: and "the Whole world?!"
me: i wrote it off (they have some other stuff with ugk and ceelo that i wrote off)
whole world?
um...not top ten for me
Steven: Yeah but that was the frickin biggest song of the year?
me: true...but it wasn't most critically acclaimed songs or popular, just my top ten...as far as, if I wanted to give someone else a perception of outkast, those are the tracks i would give them
Steven: True I guess...
but out of all those I named, you have to admit Players Ball and International Player's anthem (sense a trend?) Probably should have made that list
especially Players anthem, for what possibly could have been the best verse Andre 3K ever spit
me: yeah, i was leaving lab and players ball came on my iphone...i was like, crap missed one...lol
nope
not greatest
he has better stuff than that
for me and fabrice...the cladestine sililoquy is the best spit
Steven: ooooh
forgot about that
me: i think that is wheelz of steel
i am listening to aquemini right now...sick
Steven: Ahead of it's time
Actually, they might have to be considered one of the top 3 groups ever in hip hop
me: I put them number 1...whose better?
Steven: sorry man, but Wu-Tang has to take it in my mind.
9 dudes who were so talented they had to battle amongst themselves to make it on a track
lyrics, slang, style (Wallabees?!)
me: true...but, longevity has to come into play
Steven: those dudes kicked off an era
The group is still active, although Outkast has probably sold more
But the thing about Wu Tang is, the top dudes in the group all experienced serious commercial success....
me: TRUE
Steven: Not to sure a Big Boi solo album would go 3x platinum
me: but some are dead and gone (sadly
See, everyone sleeps on atwon patton
Steven: besides ODB and the feuding amongst RZA, GZA, and Raekwon, who else is gone?
me: he has very nice skills, just sometimes overshadowed by Dre
gone...meaning they aren't making stuff together (method and red)
Sent at 12:11 PM on Thursday
Steven: Meth was on the last group album in '07....I think for the group stuff they still get together....
me: they seemed absent
Sent at 12:12 PM on Thursday
Steven: well, the group dynamic has definitely changed...its not killer bees like it used to be...lol
me: true
ok...because i am from ATL i still have to put outkast number #1
Steven: LOL fair enough
me: (that was double number for emphasis)
put wu tang is two...now, who is three?
Steven: from my Alabama unbiased mind (and family in NYC) Its 1 and 1A for me...
Man #3 is tough...Geto Boys, UGK, NWA?
TRU, Hot Boys
DTP
me: the only reason i can feel ok about the outkast pick is that they are more versatile...
um, maybe No Limit?
D12?
it is a quagmire at the 3 spot
Steven: Eh, D12 is further down the list because of how much they lose when Eminem isn't involved...
me: oh, triple 6 mafia...they got it
oscar winners
Steven: Bump all that Oscar nonsense...
me: lol
Steven: lets look at quality of music
that was the Academy being rebellious against itself
me: then they are 25
Steven: lol
for 3 personally, I have to stick UGK or Hot Boys in there...
UGK for longevity, quality of music, and respect from their peers
and Hot Boys for blowing the doors of New Orleans AGAIN after Master P had opened the doors...
for a 6 year period (98-2004) they were the hottest thing in rap
and the individual success of group members might be even more impressive then Wu-Tang
me: i give hot boys 3 good years..99-02
Steven: Has to be longer then that because they were releasing platinum albums when I was at Oakwood....
Mannie Fresh Production,
me: yeah, hot boys are more impressive...i just can't believe lil wayne took off like he did
Steven: Wayne, BG, Turk, and Juvenile
Wayne worked his way into it...I still don't like his newer stuff compared to old cash money though...
Sent at 12:19 PM on Thursday
me: I hate how big he is right now...never really liked him. I thought he was ok, but that was during the peak of my Outkast listening...at times I only played their stuff...
And Tupac
that was it pretty much
(aside from Calvin's reggae and music at clubs)
Steven: lol...Wayne is no fake though, he has consistently been the hardest working man in Hip hop, what was it, like 70-80 songs released last year alone? 2 or 3 mixtape albums, Carter 3, and Collabos...
For me, I always preferred him within the group dynamic...thats when I felt he was at his best
Sent at 12:22 PM on Thursday
me: yeah...he was the group...him and juvy in my mind
Steven: yup...
Sent at 12:24 PM on Thursday
me: I have been listening to Outkast this whole time and I missed some good stuff in my list...but I only had ten spots
Steven: Understandable....lol it should have been 10 albums..
Sent at 12:28 PM on Thursday
me: well, in that case...ATLiens wins with a little bit of a challenge by Aquemini
then the double album, the first album, then Idlewild, THEN stankonia
Steven: Pretty good order..I don't have much of a problem with that...
me: I'm gonna add that to both blogs...needs to be said
Steven: ok
